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#11 Mon 07 May 07 1:10am

abdullahcohn

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Re: The French say "Americans aren't stupid"

I think to some extent the Saskatchewan seal hunt thing might be a little unfair.
This is because people who don’t live inside a country might not know where the provinces are located. So they may be forgiven for not knowing that it is landlocked.
But all the other questions were fair, so the point that the team were making is clearly true.
The level of education in America is really low. A degree there is at about the same level as three British A-levels.

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#12 Mon 07 May 07 10:03am

The White Rabbit

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Re: The French say "Americans aren't stupid"

two of the guys from the chaser got turfed out of the logies (ask asn aussie if you want to know what this is) last night

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#13 Mon 07 May 07 1:50pm

mercedes

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Re: The French say "Americans aren't stupid"

Abdulllah---I agree---I let them off on the Saskatchewan bit-----well not the professors--they should have known that! And I'd just like to say I'd never climb on top of Peter Mans(bridge)------well maybe if he was a bit younger!

------as an aside I just had a chuckle at this article-----------------------

Mystery revealed: Canada's harmless poppy quarter led to U.S. spy warnings


TED BRIDIS
Mon May 7, 2:21 AM ET



WASHINGTON (AP) - The surprise explanation behind the U.S. government's sensational but false warnings about mysterious Canadian spy coins is the harmless poppy quarter, the world's first colourized coin.

 
The were so unfamiliar to suspicious U.S. army contractors travelling in Canada that they filed confidential espionage accounts about them.

The worried contractors described the coins as "anomalous" and "filled with something man-made that looked like nano-technology," said once-classified U.S. government reports and e-mails.

The 25-cent piece features the red image of a poppy inlaid over a maple leaf. The quarter is identical to the coins pictured and described as suspicious in the contractors' accounts.

The supposed nano-technology actually was a conventional protective coating the Royal Canadian Mint applied to prevent the poppy's red colour from rubbing off. The mint produced nearly 30 million such quarters in 2004 commemorating Canada's 117,000 war dead.

"It did not appear to be electronic (analog) in nature or have a power source," wrote one U.S. contractor, who discovered the coin in the cup holder of a rental car.

"Under high-power microscope, it appeared to be complex consisting of several layers of clear but different material, with a wire like mesh suspended on top."

The confidential accounts led to a sensational warning from the U.S. Defence Security Service, an agency of the Defence Department, that mysterious coins with radio frequency transmitters were found planted on U.S. contractors with classified security clearances on at least three separate occasions between October 2005 and January 2006 as the contractors travelled through Canada.

One contractor believed someone had placed two of the quarters in an outer coat pocket after the contractor had emptied the pocket hours earlier.

"Coat pockets were empty that morning and I was keeping all of my coins in a plastic bag in my inner coat pocket," the contractor wrote.

Meanwhile, in Canada, senior intelligence officials expressed annoyance with the U.S. spy-coin warnings as they tried to learn more about the oddball claims.

"That story about Canadians planting coins in the pockets of defence contractors will not go away," Luc Portelance, now deputy director for the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, wrote in a January e-mail to a subordinate.

"Could someone tell me more? Where do we stand and what's the story on this?"

Others in Canada's spy service also were searching for answers. "We would be very interested in any more detail you may have on the validity of the comment related to the use of Canadian coins in this manner," another intelligence official wrote in an e-mail.

"If it is accurate, are they talking industrial or state espionage? If the latter, who?" The identity of the e-mail's recipient was censored.

Intelligence and technology experts were flabbergasted by the warning when it was first publicized earlier this year. The warning suggested such transmitters could be used surreptitiously to track the movements of people carrying the coins.

"I thought the whole thing was preposterous, to think you could tag an individual with a coin and think they wouldn't give it away or spend it," said H. Keith Melton, a leading intelligence historian.

But Melton said the army contractors properly reported their suspicions.

"You want contractors or any government personnel to report anything suspicious," he said.

"You can't have the potential target evaluating whether this was an organized attack or a fluke."

The Defence Security Service disavowed its warning about spy coins after an international furore but until now it has never disclosed the details behind the embarrassing episode. The United States said it never substantiated the contractors' claims and performed an internal review to determine how the false information was included in a 29-page published report about espionage concerns.

The Defence Security Service never examined the suspicious coins, spokeswoman Cindy McGovern said.

"We know where we made the mistake," she said.

"The information wasn't properly vetted. While these coins aroused suspicion, there ultimately was nothing there."

Numismatist Dennis Pike, of Canadian Coin & Currency near Toronto, quickly matched a grainy image and physical descriptions of the suspect coins in the contractors' confidential accounts to the 25-cent poppy piece.

"It's not uncommon at all," Pike said.

He added the coin's protective coating glows peculiarly under ultraviolet light.

"That may have been a little bit suspicious," he said.

Some of the U.S. documents the AP obtained were classified "Secret/Noforn," meaning they were never supposed to be viewed by foreigners, even the closest U.S. allies. The government censored parts of the files, citing national security reasons, before turning over copies under the U.S. Freedom of Information Act.

Nothing in the documents - except the reference to nanotechnology - explained how the contractors' accounts evolved into a full-blown warning about spy coins with radio frequency transmitters. Many passages were censored, including the names of contractors and details about where they worked and their projects.

But there were indications the accounts should have been taken lightly.

Next to one blacked-out sentence was this warning: "This has not been confirmed as of yet."

The Canadian intelligence documents, which also were censored, were turned over for $5 under the Access to Information Act. Canada cited rules for protecting against subversive or hostile activities to explain why it censored the papers.

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PARANOID!!

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#14 Mon 07 May 07 2:11pm

abdullahcohn

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Re: The French say "Americans aren't stupid"

How can they be so thick?

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#15 Mon 07 May 07 2:47pm

SonomaEddie

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Re: The French say "Americans aren't stupid"

Yes, "paranoid" is a key word here.  Unfortunately, the Bush administration rules under the power of fear.  Any time they do something to put fear in us or take away another one of our rights, they invoke the term "9/11."  And with such a low approval rating from the population here, I don't know how he can still get away with all of this and not have US news outlets calling him--them--on all of this.  Makes me sick.
Eddie

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#16 Mon 07 May 07 3:07pm

abdullahcohn

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Re: The French say "Americans aren't stupid"

Something else about American education:
Degrees there are modular, so they are really easy. You can say they are a type of mix and match thing like the New AS levels, so far easer than the traditional British A-levels.
What is really nasty is the government here is trying to copy the American system by dumbing down the British educational system.
British A-levels and British Degrees are respected the world over because they were known as the hardest. But now they want to chop up A-Levels in to tiny modular AS, and replace traditional degrees with tiny mix and match modules which are completely meaningless, and have no bases in the real word.
What is real scary is if these changes hold, in a few years time our children will try and catch a bus to Saskatchewan to watch the seal hunt.

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#17 Mon 07 May 07 3:31pm

mercedes

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Re: The French say "Americans aren't stupid"

Agreed Eddie--I have issues with CNN and NBC but your Fox news outlet will always be biased towards a Republican stand point!

Abdullah, I'm not that familiar with American Education, the only thing I have comparable to your statement is that Canada loses a lot of its nurses to the US as the education here is much more demanding on them and they become more qualified then the US and therefore are seen as an asset!

With all do respect here though, I do believe there are as many idiots living in other countries(Canada included) as there are in the US---I think the reason the US is such an easy target is because we are constantly blasted with American Media and the American patriotism---and even  here in schools a lot of History is taught from an American Stand point---I'd even be so bold to say that I bet there are a few canucks that know as much if not more than the yanks do about the USA!  tongue

And to end on a lighter note---I always get a giggle when stopping at a gas station along the 401 hi-way in Ontario  in mid- July and being asked by some Americans where the ski resorts are  lol  Or remembering the time we drove to Florida in February and stopping overnight in Gainesville being asked if the road salt on our car was snow!

As Anna would say---Bless!

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#18 Mon 07 May 07 6:24pm

ANN

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Re: The French say "Americans aren't stupid"

Abdullah,  Speak for yourself when you call someone thick!!

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#19 Mon 07 May 07 6:59pm

abdullahcohn

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Re: The French say "Americans aren't stupid"

ANN you do know I posted directly after the article by TED BRIDIS was posted.
So my post was clearly directed at the intelligence services who thought coloured Canadian coins were some clever Canadian ploy to spy on America, just as the people who said paranoid before and after my post were clearly referring to the American intelligence service.


mercedes

There are idiots everywhere. But as you pointed out, nursing courses are harder in Canada. A Canadian Nursing Qualification shows greater ability than an American one. If I am right and nursing is not unique, you can make the same point about other courses and graduates.

American education does have its good points though. Post graduate courses are highly resourced.
Here in the UK a masters doesn’t mean much, and are usually 100% course work. So if someone copies they can be really thick and pass with a really good grade

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#20 Mon 07 May 07 9:03pm

ANN

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Re: The French say "Americans aren't stupid"

Abdullah,  Sorry if I misinterpreted.  I took your statement as everyone, not just CIA.  I can't fault your view of the CIA under Bush.

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