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#1 Wed 11 Mar 09 4:43pm

captcook

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Occupation Cooking School owner
From Carlsbad, California
Member since Fri 02 Jan 09
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The end of organic farming in the US?

There are a couple of bills being pushed through congress today that could be a death blow for the organic farming industry.
HR875 is known as the food modernization act of 2009- designed to protect the public by preventing food borne illnesses, ensuring food safety and preventing intentional contamination. Sounds good right. Reading the small print however tells you that the intention is to standardize food production using predetermied scientific criteria. It basically criminalizes organic or non conforming production and has such a far reach that it could in effect make growing your own in your garden against the law.If you have a small farm and can't prove scientific back up to whether your means and methods are not a threat to public safety then you may be facing the full effect of these new food police.  Obviously being pushed by the USDA and Monsanto it is another step towards forcing small independent producers out of business by making it financially infeasible to conform with factory farming levels of monitoring and production. Riding a tidal wave of news about food poisonings and recalls it may be important to remember that it is the big food companies that have been responsible for these problems and not the small farmers.
After buying up over 50 seed companies in the past few years, Monsanto now owns 90% of all genetically modified seed patents. Once you buy the seed you need the designer fertilizer, the designer pesticide and herbicide etc. It will almost certainly have a major role in determining the scientific determinants that may put your local farm out of business.
 
Let's hope it doesn't pass!

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#2 Wed 11 Mar 09 8:50pm

SusanneH

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Re: The end of organic farming in the US?

Interesting what some people call "safe"....

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#3 Wed 11 Mar 09 9:05pm

runneralps

From Hellas,Macedonia, Thessaloniki
Member since Sat 08 Nov 08
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Re: The end of organic farming in the US?

well what other shall we see from Mr new President??
For the moment we are facing the ban of free agricultural activity..am i saying it right?
This gonna be the end of   free activities that human beings can do...
And what is the reason? a fake  one...People are safe when a BIG industry prepare their food. THATS A HUGE LIE. People are safe when they are free to choose whether they be feed by this or the other type of food..Furthermore people are free when they dont eat garbage like those that many industries trying to feed them.
Genetically modified products are dangerous for our health....and may i ask what is the purpose of using them when we can have the authentic? BECAUSE some industries MUST earn much more than they earn now...BECAUSE biological planting has many losses, that food industry cant afford, because it loosing MONEY...THATS WHY is using genetically modified  products.
Those who are using their brain to think.... they dont EAT GENETICALLY MODIFIED PRODUCTS.
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#4 Wed 11 Mar 09 9:19pm

whitedog

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From america
Member since Sat 09 Feb 08
No of posts 7066

Re: The end of organic farming in the US?

There were 2 ecoli (sp?) scares last year the bases for which were pinned first on the spinach then the Florida tomato people but those sources were never really solid, can you imagine? They shut those people down for months. Those bills are the results. They just can't-must not go through. I don't see much about them around, only once on the Green Party listserve, a quick post by someone within another subject- how I learned about them, nowhere else, no posters at the healthfood store. There was a huge outcry against the bill that would prevent the sale of vitamins and herbs without a doctors care or prescription or whatever that bill stated to stop self treatment, informal use, sales in healtfood stores, but this potential horror show seems to be enjoying some pretty dangerous obscurity at the moment.

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#5 Wed 11 Mar 09 10:26pm

whitedog

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Re: The end of organic farming in the US?

Really it sounds like something submitted by He Who Must Not Be Named

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#6 Wed 11 Mar 09 11:20pm

captcook

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From Carlsbad, California
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Re: The end of organic farming in the US?

This bill is also accompanied by a hearing on NAIS which is the National Animal Identification System which if  it became mandatory would require every farm animal to be tagged and monitored. Once again under the guise of protecting public safety regarding transportation of sick and diseased animals will have jurisdiction over everyone that owns so much as a chicken in the back yard. Once again this will kill the organic farmers who will not be able to fund the technology and paperwork neccessary for this.Once again the agri business giants are the ones to benefit from this. It may sound like I have it out for Monsanto but forgive me if I have concerns about the company that gave us PCB's and Agent Orange as they try to basically control the world's food supply . Here are a few resources you may want to review   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av6dx9yNiCA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-ouf_gmA5o

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#7 Thu 12 Mar 09 7:22am

The White Rabbit

From Sydney, Australia
Member since Tue 22 Jun 04
No of posts 9803

Re: The end of organic farming in the US?

We had a thread recently about international food standards http://www.jamieoliver.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=41025

I don't think that food standards are a bad thing and I don't think they will prevent organic farming. I do think they can help ensure that when you are buying organic that it is actually organic rather than normal with "organic" printed on it. If you are paying for it then you want the real stuff. If people want to buy organic then it will always be available because someone will want to sell it. As far as I've seen organic food has been on the increase and at least here sections of government have made sure it gets labelled correctly, i see that as encouragement not trying to wipe it out.

Correct food labelling is important if not vital to me as I'm very intolerant to gluten, if I can't get information on the food then it's very hit and miss about whether I'll get sick by eating something. 

I also think food safety is a good thing. I'd like to think that my food is produced in conditions that mean it's safe for me to eat. That it doesn't contain heavy metals, that there are no excess levelsharmful bacteria on it due to poor handling at or after harvest. Sometimes people have felt this is excessive, as in the case for rocqufort (i can't spell) cheese in australia. It was banned for a period of time (non-pasteurised product) but after some work by people who wanted it back in so they could sell it to eager customers there was an exemption put in place so that it could be brought in. We have a thing here where some people want to have un-pasturised milk, that's fine if you have a nice clean udder and store it properly and drink it within an appropriate time frame. It's not allowed to be sold and I think that's a good idea, what if someone was selling some that was produced in less than ideal conditions and what if someone got sick, or a whole group of people. It's far easier for there to be a blanket ban because it preserves public health. The few people who want un-pasturised can probably arrange a sly bit from a farmer and take the risk on themselves.

Just my two or three cents. Just remember that the people who make the decisions live in the world too and there are pros and cons to every situation, and big decisions are risk assessed and involve consultation with stakeholders (government reps, community groups (local, national, or international). If you want your voice heard then maybe bring it up with your local politician and they may be able to help escalate it for you.

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#8 Thu 12 Mar 09 8:10am

GeoffP

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From Bradford, West Yorks
Member since Mon 03 Jul 06
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Re: The end of organic farming in the US?

Dunno what you can do in America to stop the agri-business juggernaut. its one of the reasons the EU doesn't generally import meat from America, preferring our own food standards, which, among other things, bans growth hormones in meat, though we are still struggling to maintain a ban on GSM food.

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#9 Thu 12 Mar 09 8:42am

The White Rabbit

From Sydney, Australia
Member since Tue 22 Jun 04
No of posts 9803

Re: The end of organic farming in the US?

GSM? is that like GM with something else?

I'm not convinced one way or another on GM, however I do think that where a product is GM then it should be labelled so that people can make their own choice. Having a good food standards system could do this.

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#10 Thu 12 Mar 09 8:48am

foietruffledisiac

Member since Wed 07 Jul 04
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Re: The end of organic farming in the US?

I seriously don't think that will happen!
At least this lady will definitely put up a fight with *everything* she's got ........, and I'm sure MANY will rally with her!

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c … 14IPLM.DTL

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/1 … n-cabinet/

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