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#21 Tue 26 Oct 10 12:49am

TerryKay

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Re: Aluminium, plastic, teflon & Tefal is not safe to cook with!

5g of chocolate kills birds.
The birds keep eating my gardening seeds.
Has evil genius idea of planting chocolate coated seeds.
If I use organic choc my garden will still be organic too.
(Evil laugh). Whahahahahaha.

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#22 Wed 27 Oct 10 7:56am

Rachelcooper

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Re: Aluminium, plastic, teflon & Tefal is not safe to cook with!

falconcy wrote:

I think we can safely say that throughout the history of this planet, we have evolved and developed many things, some of which can be blamed for pollution or causing adverse health effects.

Personally I think we need to balance out the usefulness factor with the potential risk. Where one outweighs the other then we know which way to go. As far as non-stick coatings go, the trick has to be developing less toxic products.

Without a doubt, the non-stick pan has made life easier for many people - try frying an egg in a "stick" pan wink

This is particularly important given that people today have more access to information and are generally more concerned about health and environmental issues.

We will never stop progress, as the Luddites found out when they tried to stop the electrical loom, or the worried people who thought that computers would put them out of a job have found.

good point smile

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#23 Thu 11 Nov 10 2:58am

Rachelcooper

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Re: Aluminium, plastic, teflon & Tefal is not safe to cook with!

I was reading more about Teflon and cookware and which to use.  This link shows which types of cookware materials are safe or not?

http://environment.about.com/od/healthe … okware.htm

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#24 Thu 02 Jun 11 6:13pm

jjgo1984

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Re: Aluminium, plastic, teflon & Tefal is not safe to cook with!

After researching the different surfaces of non-stick pans I ended up buying a Run pan, with Titanium ceramic surface..... I have NEVER cooked on anything like this, actually is non-stick (unlike other brands I have used), surface is safe and doesn't degrade.... and they offer a 25 year guarantee.... thepanpeople.co.uk or a great deal on a saute pan on ebay, item 320708297792

would deffo reccomend big_smile

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#25 Thu 02 Jun 11 7:21pm

whitedog

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Re: Aluminium, plastic, teflon & Tefal is not safe to cook with!

Aluminum will never be found in my kitchen, nor do I use nonstick though the one mentioned in the above post sounds fine-ish. I use glass or stainless, iron or enamel. For making herbal infusions I use glass, as close to the stone bowls the shamans use as I can get. I don't trust the studies made to counter the findings in the 60s-70s, the industrialists are diabolical and will do whatever thay can to make a buck, including lie through scientists they hire to prove their products are safe.

I can only eat chocolate sometimes, actually rarely, it just makes me feel rotten, but I like it, so sad.

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#26 Mon 02 Dec 13 10:59pm

spectroman

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Re: Aluminium, plastic, teflon & Tefal is not safe to cook with!

Well,

Im looking here to a Tefal pan that is scratched and peeling little bits off.

I went to research and found "the white rabbit" post totally dismissing the Tefal/Teflon sort of products. 

The White Rabbit wrote:

Teflon, the non-stick surface in non-stick cookware (aka PTFE) is fine.

Funny fact is that, not searching too much further, I got the information that Perfluorooctanoic acid (PFOA), which is used along with Teflon/Tefal products , are well known nocive for animals, fatal to birds (that's according to DuPont itself) and both PFOA and PTFE have high levels of toxicity (even if that in specific conditions... I don't want to risk), although it is found in 98% of the US population for instance, it is associated with cronic kidney disease.

So don't go too fast in denial mode without look into studies about the subject.

And it is way more obvious that being a very big corporation, like DuPont and having a magnificent PR outreach, few information against its products will survive online.

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#27 Tue 03 Dec 13 7:32am

The White Rabbit

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Re: Aluminium, plastic, teflon & Tefal is not safe to cook with!

I'm not on the payroll of a multinational. If you can link some peer reviewed, i.e. a proper medical journal, research on the topic then I'll look at it. until then my opinions are unchanged.

If 98% of US adults have the exposure then why isn't the population dropping like flies from kidney disease.

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#28 Wed 12 Aug 15 11:29am

InforC

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Re: Aluminium, plastic, teflon & Tefal is not safe to cook with!

The White Rabbit wrote:

I'm not on the payroll of a multinational. If you can link some peer reviewed, i.e. a proper medical journal, research on the topic then I'll look at it. until then my opinions are unchanged.

If 98% of US adults have the exposure then why isn't the population dropping like flies from kidney disease.

How about DuPont / 3M's own decades of research showing that a primary ingredient in Teflon (C8) is highly carcinogenic?

firstlook. org/theintercept/2015/08/11/dupont-chemistry-deception/

PS: Added a space in the link to get through the filter

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#29 Wed 12 Aug 15 11:50am

The White Rabbit

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Re: Aluminium, plastic, teflon & Tefal is not safe to cook with!

Not a peer reviewed journal.

It's been a year and a half on this topic, that's quite a gap. It used to only be a couple of months between "the scientists/multinationals/codex alimentarius are trying to kill us all" posts. Oddly we are all still here and unscathed.

An ingredient in salt is explosive on contact with water, the other is a highly toxic gas. The toxicity of a component or ingredient is meaningless when the end product is a different compound. How they deal with the chemical hazards involved in production is different. Also can you provide the details (again peer reviewed or from the UN globally harmonised system) as to how said ingredient is classified as carcinogenic?

No? I thought not, it's far easier to whip up fear without inconvenient details. I do have to wonder, what is your agenda? Why seek out an old thread in a moderately small food forum. What are you selling? Is there malware on the link and someone pays you to put it out there? If you were genuinely interested in issues then maybe look into climate change, that's the one that'll destroy us.

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#30 Wed 12 Aug 15 6:13pm

InforC

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Re: Aluminium, plastic, teflon & Tefal is not safe to cook with!

No need to make yourself look like an a** with ad hominem attacks.

I understand your concern about peer review.

I didn't want to start a new thread when one already existed. I have a Tefal Jamie Oliver frying pan. As far as i can figure out it contains PFC's. That may, or may not be inert in a frying pan when used, heated or scratched.

This is more in the lane of big tobacco having its own research lab with pretty damning results. Results that should lead any sane person to be cautious.

As for peer review. Here you go:
www.c 8sciencepanel.org/publications.html


Here's a snippet from the article:

"Teflon, which was introduced in 1946, and for more than 60 years C8 was an essential ingredient of Teflon.

Called a “surfactant† because it reduces the surface tension of water, the slippery, stable compound was eventually used in hundreds of products, including Gore-Tex and other waterproof clothing; coatings for eye glasses and tennis rackets; stain-proof coatings for carpets and furniture; fire-fighting foam; fast food wrappers; microwave popcorn bags; bicycle lubricants; satellite components; ski wax; communications cables; and pizza boxes.

Concerns about the safety of Teflon, C8, and other long-chain perfluorinated chemicals first came to wide public attention more than a decade ago"

en.w ikipedia.org/wiki/Carcinogen
A carcinogen is any substance, radionuclide, or radiation that is an agent directly involved in causing cancer.

Article:
"In 2011 and 2012, after seven years of research, the science panel found that C8 was “more likely than not† linked to ulcerative colitis — Wamsley’s condition — as well as to high cholesterol; pregnancy-induced hypertension; thyroid disease; testicular cancer; and kidney cancer.

The scientists’ findings, published in more than three dozen peer-reviewed articles, were striking, because the chemical’s effects were so widespread throughout the body and because even very low exposure levels were associated with health effects."

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