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#11 Sun 17 Sep 06 10:33pm

mummza

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Member since Tue 04 Oct 05

Re: Mums who post pies through school fences

I am no sure that you are entirly right by thinking that as a child has been bought up on rubbish then it adds to it being  a picky child.I have to disagree with that thought. I have met many a child ,who has been bought up only eating good well cooked homemade  nutritious food and has been a picky child.
I have always been lucky with my family,I had 4 children, now teens-young adults, sure there foods that one or the other do not like,but on the whole they eat most things.
I have always made a point of not getting into a row or disagreement about food,and from an early  age they served themselves at the table.We always put bowls of food onto the table rather than plate-up a meal for them. I found that they were more inclined to try new things if they could control the quantity on the plate themselves. My family are lucky they have always had decent meals..granted when they were smaller then they might have had the occasional chicken nugget,or even turkey twizzler..sure they have had meat pies.BUT not everyday and only on rare occasions.I definatly do not consider myself a bad mother for doing this.

My family are lucky,I do understand what is good for them to eat and as young adults I feel that I have guided them well in terms on there diets. However ,there are number of parents who do not understand about nutrition,it does not mean that they are bad parents,but simply that they do not have the understanding.

Somepeople think that because a chicken nugget (for example) has chicken in it then it is good for the child to eat,after all chicken is a low fat meat. So you see a lot of this problem is about education and not just the education of the children.

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#12 Sun 17 Sep 06 10:50pm

Kirsten

Member since Thu 06 Jan 05

Re: Mums who post pies through school fences

Clearly these people are idiots.  I've only read a few articles about it - in FIL's Express for example.  They do seem to be saying that things like jacket potatoes are very expensive in the schools though, compared to the cafe down the road, (which does make one question why they don't buy them one there raher than go for junk food!).  It's important that healthy school meals are reasonably priced to avoid such accusations.  Why the heck don't they just make some good packed lunches though?

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#13 Mon 18 Sep 06 12:37am

chummley

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Re: Mums who post pies through school fences

you still haven't read what chummley has said  shocked

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#14 Mon 18 Sep 06 2:45pm

tinkerbell79

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Re: Mums who post pies through school fences

If the school dinners at this school are such a problem why dont the mothers send their kids to school with a packed lunch? Ok some packed lunches are still packed with rubbish but surely much better that pie and chips every day.

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#15 Mon 18 Sep 06 6:52pm

fruitfreak83

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Re: Mums who post pies through school fences

chummley wrote:

they agree with jamie oliver this is only a short term solution until the problem is resolved.

.... Yes well, if it really is all made up and a question of time, they could have brought their kids OTHER, healthier things than chips and pies, couldn't they? just wondering...
question  question  question

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#16 Mon 18 Sep 06 7:53pm

GrumpyOldWoman

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Re: Mums who post pies through school fences

Were they not standing in a graveyard when they were passing the food though the school fence?  Shows that they don't seem to have respect for the death or the living. 

What I don't understand is that if the headteacher wanted to put a stop to this he could.  At my daughter's primary school there is a clause in the home-school agreement saying that parents are not allowed to stand by the fence to talk or hand things to the kids during school times and the children are not allowed to approach anyone standing by the fence.  This rule has nothing to do with school dinners, it is a simple safety measure because you never know who is out there.

Also doesn't a school have a duty of care?  If my children were handed food through a gate by strangers I would not be very impressed.  I don't want to sound dramatic but what if a child catches something serious like E-coli and dies?  Then who is responsible ?

I have the impression that in some cases unfortunately the problem seems far greater then school dinners, imo schools where this sort of things are happening have a massive discipline problem.  What is wrong with simple rules and boundaries?

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#17 Mon 18 Sep 06 8:19pm

Paul67

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Member since Mon 18 Sep 06

Re: Mums who post pies through school fences

Kids/young adults attitudes to "healthy eating" are generally "well im ok so why should I not eat and drink this sweet and fatty foods"  even the skinny kids think they are ok.  I watch them walk to school with cans of sugary pop and cringe.  Tooth decay is just the start.  The kids secondary school now has healthy options, tuna pasta salad!! is a favourite, regretfully they add more mayo than tuna so you cannot taste the tuna.  Tighter controls on school caterers and ban advertising for junk foods completely. 

Diabetes is going to be the biggest cost to the NHS in the years to come.  Surely government knows this and could make more effort to save people from this terrible diesese.

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#18 Mon 18 Sep 06 11:46pm

Claudia Cecilia

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Member since Fri 24 Feb 06

Re: Mums who post pies through school fences

Like most people in this forum I was also enraged by the news of these stupid mothers who were passing junk food to their children through the school fence.  It wouldn't surprise me too much if they were just after the publicity, wanting to get into the papers and the news - HOW SAD!  What they do not realise is that it's going to cost them (and sadly also their children) hard with all the opposition from the school and most other parents.  The fact that these mothers were also passing junk food to other kids is UNFORGIVABLE and, in my view, should give the school enough reason to expell their children.  Maybe these mothers should be given a doctor's assessment on what that food does to their children and shown how much it will affect (= decrease) their kids' life expectancy.

I believe that thanks to Jamie's campaign an enourmous amount of progress has been made and I have to say that in both my kids' schools the changes to healthier food (although from the children's point of view with some strange combinations sometimes) has been well received.  I think that the message that what the children eat affects not just their health but also their behaviour is slowly getting through.

I understand that the cost of school dinners is an issue to some families from poorer backgrounds, but I don't think that bringing down the cost of school dinners is the solution to the above problem.  After all the cost of
school dinners is very reasonable and I don't think the dinner ladies will manage to continue providing healthy meals if the money that goes into the ingredients gets squeezed even further.

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#19 Tue 19 Sep 06 12:04am

Kirsten

Member since Thu 06 Jan 05

Re: Mums who post pies through school fences

Having just watched the JO update on school dinners, I can understand that prices have to be set at a certain level.  I thought the pub / local supplier / school partnership in Lincolnshire seemed an excellent idea and hope it works out.  Better than all that money being spent on junk and at least it goes into the local economy.  I do applaud Jamie for his work in this area.  It might be down to the publicity he is abe to attract and his celebrity status, but at least the government does seem to be listening - clearly it will need plenty of ongoing persuasion though.  Well done, Jamie and keep up the good work.

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#20 Tue 19 Sep 06 12:28am

kaytee

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Re: Mums who post pies through school fences

I was absolutely fuming hearing about those women.  How stupid can people be? Here is someone who is relentlessly campaigning for the good of our children, someone who has done more good for them than most MP's have ever done and who is opening the eyes of most parents.  Someone who is working hard to spread a message to everyone which needs to be heard.  Along comes some ignorant people who do their best to undo it all because they're too small minded to see the good.  There is NO excuse for handing children junk food through the bars.  If the children are not eating properly at school, then you give them packed lunch or insist they come home for lunch until the school sorts it out. 

As for parents moaning about 'having' to feed their children healthily..pathetic.  Crisps, sweets, fizzy pop, chocolate..it's all unnecessary.  When push comes to shove, it's easier for someone to throw in a lunchables and a pack of crisps with a kit kat and a can of coke than it is for them to think about what they are doing. Peeling a carrot, chopping up cucumber sticks...buying more than one variety of fruit...is it really that hard to do?! Pure laziness.


Message for Jamie if you ever read the messages on the forums...

Keep up the good work.  We need more people like you who are willing to stand up and fight for what they believe in.  You are making a difference, despite what a minority have to moan about.   I have noticed a vast improvement in the school dinners at my daughter's school and while there's still room for improvement (ie ban the chips full stop, remove the pizzas even if they are only once a week), overall the menu is much healthier and they make a point of providing home cooked food now.  Give yourself a huge pat on the back because you're making a difference to the way our children are being cared for, which can only result in healthier and happier children (and grown ups!).  Well done x thumbsup

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