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#1 Fri 30 Jan 09 11:58am

abdullahcohn

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'You'll never see your grandchildren again'

'You'll never see your grandchildren again': Social worker's warning to couple after they spoke out over gay adoption row

By Jonathan Brocklebank and Michael Seamark
Last updated at 9:02 AM on 30th January 2009

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Phone call: Social worker Heather Rush allegedly told the two children's grandparents that they will have no more contact after speaking out

A social worker at the centre of the gay adoption row told the children's grandparents they will never see them again because of the publicity surrounding the case.

Heather Rush telephoned the youngsters' 26-year-old mother after the family publicised their grievances with her council department.

Mrs Rush allegedly said the price they will pay for speaking out is complete loss of contact with the five-year-old boy and four-year-old girl.

The children's mother, who had been due to meet the two adoptive fathers under social workers' supervision next week, took the call from Mrs Rush on Wednesday.

The mother, who cannot be identified, said: 'She asked me if I had seen the paper and said "it does not make very good reading".

'I said I didn't think it was right that she was not letting me meet the fathers because of the story going in the paper and that she should speak to my Mum and Dad.

'She said, "No, just pass the message on." She said she didn't want to speak to them but there would be no recommendation for them to see the children twice a year.'

Last week Mrs Rush had told the grandparents they would be allowed to see the boy and girl if they gave the gay adoption arrangements their blessing.

But now the 39-year-old - who has two children herself by different fathers - appears adamant that even if they do accept the arrangements they will not be given access.

The forced adoption of the children by two gay men - and the council's decision to ignore their grandparents' request to care for them - has provoked fierce debate.

An Edinburgh councillor described the call to the vulnerable mother, who is currently taking methadone in an attempt to kick her drug habit, as 'unprofessional, inappropriate and unacceptable'.

Jeremy Balfour, a Conservative, said: 'It is not an acceptable way to treat people. It seems to me to be a case of throwing toys out of the pram.

'I don't think such a call could be motivated by the best interests of the children.'
Mother of children who are being adopted by gay couple pictured with her grandparents

Mother of children who are being adopted by gay couple pictured with her grandparents

An Edinburgh council spokesman last night denied that a social worker told the mother her parents would never see the children again.

Gillian Tee, Director of Education, Children and Families, said: 'We have no reason to doubt that the staff who have worked on this case have handled it with anything other than professionalism and sensitivity. We have not received a complaint from the family.'

Social workers gave the young mother just 90 minutes to say goodbye to her two children before they were taken away forever.

The mother was allowed to take her young son and daughter to Edinburgh Zoo before they were separated.

The mother earlier told the Mail: 'They told me not to cry and be strong so as not to upset the children.

'How can you tell a mother that when she's never going to see her children again?'

She added that the children themselves said they wanted to stay with their grandparents. She is unable to care for them as she is a recovering heroin addict.

The boy's father was a schizophrenic who killed himself two months before his son was born. The girl's father is still alive but has had nothing to do with his daughter.

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#2 Fri 30 Jan 09 1:58pm

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Re: 'You'll never see your grandchildren again'

There has to be a better way.

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#3 Fri 30 Jan 09 6:35pm

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Re: 'You'll never see your grandchildren again'

I really can't stand this stuff, take them to the zoo and then 90 minutes before nothing? I can't imagine it. For complaining, the grandparents are banned? NO WAY!!!!!!! There is such a huge prejudice about drugs. Sounds also like the social worker has a big problem with non gays.

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#4 Fri 30 Jan 09 6:35pm

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Re: 'You'll never see your grandchildren again'

In the UK social services have quotas. They have to adopt out a minimum number of children per annum which was recently doubled. When they canít find enough children, to fulfil their quotas, they take anyone they can get their hands on.
Because family courts are so secretive here, there is very little anyone can do about it, and appealing is near enough impossible.

Some children are more valuable than others, because it is easier to find parents for them.
They want white, healthy young ones. They will remove them whether they need removing or not. While black, older and disabled are left in abusive families, where many are killed.
This is because social workers feel these children wonít help them fulfil their quotas. Perspective parents donít want them. And taking them away will be detrimental to their budgets because until they are adopted if at all, they would have to be kept in foster homes which cost £300 a week per child, or care homes which costs more!

I think these cases of children being taken away when they shouldnít have shouldnít be viewed on their own. We should keep in mind children which should have been taken away, and werenít.
It is all about quotas and budgets.

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#5 Fri 30 Jan 09 6:37pm

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Re: 'You'll never see your grandchildren again'

Where are the people?

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#6 Fri 30 Jan 09 8:22pm

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Re: 'You'll never see your grandchildren again'

As I mentioned before, family court hearings are held in secret. It is illegal for anyone to speak about what happens in family courts.
This includes parents who lose children. So if parent loses a child and tells the press they would be arrested, prosecuted and imprisoned.
So, Iíd say the majority of people are ignorant of social services and family courts.
All people hear about are the few cases that reach the press, so assume they are anomalies, that are sorted out by slapping the rests of a few escape goats. But people donít realise, what they read about are not anomalies, they are the norm. What is the anomaly is the fact that they have reached the press despite all the safe guards the government has placed to make sure it doesnít.
As mentioned in the case, the grandparents wanted the child, and were fit to look after the child. They were offered two visits a year. Because they publicized what happened, they were left with no visits.
Thatís why most of the times things like this happens, no one finds out about it, because there is nothing to gain by fighting the social services and everything to lose by it.
The only way to win, and keep the child is to get the child out of the country before social services take it.
Thatís what pregnant women do when social services tell them that they will take the baby as soon as the cord is cut.

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#7 Fri 30 Jan 09 9:17pm

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Re: 'You'll never see your grandchildren again'

That is shocking, arrested if they talk? It will be worth it to talk. I say go ahead and risk arrest if they are that evil. The present system must be overhauled and soon. I wonder if that was behind my friends daughters problems, though they are apparently going to give her son back, it hasn't happened yet...she has son #2 and has from day 1, argh.

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