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#1 Tue 19 Feb 13 12:18am

shenmue

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So does soy milk gives you cancer or what?

Hi,
this is my first post. I have been reading about soy milk, because the doctor told my mother that is very good for her, because it will help her bones density after the menopause, it has a natural calcium, etc..etc...
Then I went over the internet and read things that " it will prevent in 35 % prostate cancer ",and then I read anther study saying that is all a lie  and actually, soy mil "will INCREASE 120% the possibility to get prostate cancer"( or breast cancer for woman ).

Soooo....yea, internet is very helpful. Each study contradicts the others. Of course a lot of studies are done by the same food companies to get the approval for selling their products. So you canīt trust anything. And independent studies, again, how do you know if you should trust them. They say thatīs an independent study, but who knows.
Iīve also read that regular milk gives you cancer because they have some king of hormone... hmm

Is there any food that doesnīt give you cancer??!!
Cheers

ps: I am a big yerba mate drink. I dirnk 1 litre each day. So far it is the only thing that seems safe to have.

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#2 Tue 19 Feb 13 7:08am

mummza

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Re: So does soy milk gives you cancer or what?

Welcome to the forum shenmue smile

I had never heard of Yerba mate till today so looked it up on the Internet and found this ..
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/yerba-ma … z2LJxQ1jsk

Soya milk I tried once or twice and really dislike , I have never heard of it being associated with increasing bone density till you mentioned it.

I do know that beans in their whole form are good for you and a important part of diet , being low in fats , high in fibres , proteins , vitamins and minerals .

Soya milk that comes from a bean source , I have not much idea with its nutritional values I comparison to cows milk for example .

This sugestion  of regular milk giving you cancer I have not heard of either , but realistically when you think about just how much milk gets consumed every day from an early age and all over the world . It's unlikely to be something that effects people.

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#3 Tue 19 Feb 13 11:05pm

xanderlee

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Re: So does soy milk gives you cancer or what?

This sadly is my specialist area.  Unfermented Soya contains chemicals which replicate the human hormone oestrogen (or estrogen which is the modern spelling).  Some cancers are 'fed' by oestrogen.  Some forms of breast cancer and some male cancers.  It is not proved that the soy products actually cause the cancer: more that they may contribute if someone has a hormone fed cancer.  I have double positive breast cancer (or have just finished treatment for it) which is fed by both oestrogen and progesterone.

There is confusion in soya because one of the big studies has shown that soya can contribute to such cancers.
And another study has show that it doesnt....and like most studies you should look at who is funding them and what other factors contribute.
If we are overweight we can produce too much of these hormones (especially if it is around the tummy area) so add extra hormones to the extra ones already being made...well..then there may be problems.

People with hormone stimulated cancers and who take drugs such as Tamoxifen are advised not to eat soya products.  And yet the Chinese have low breast cancer rates but also have a very different diet than we in the Western world do.  Human cancer is very complex and I think the advice I would give as a Biologist and a cancer survivor (today lol) is balance in all things.  You can get calcium from greens and eggs are important as they have vitamin D (needed for processing calcium) and calcium.  A healthy diet is one which has a bit of everything in it.  I hope this helps. big_smile

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#4 Tue 19 Feb 13 11:13pm

JoyYamDaisy

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Re: So does soy milk gives you cancer or what?

Welcome to the convoluted world of 'what is healthy?' Shenmue.

Most research looks at one aspect of a food and finds out that too much causes cancer. You'd be chasing your tail to try and make sense of it. I like Jamie Oliver's attitude that looks at a wide variety of fresh, unprocessed food, deliciously put together and eaten in moderation. You cant go too far wrong following that philosophy. smile

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#5 Wed 20 Feb 13 3:00am

shenmue

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Re: So does soy milk gives you cancer or what?

okay, thank you all for the replies.
So to sum up, if you donīt have cancer, donīt worry about it. If you do, donīt have milk because it feeds the cancer cells.
Xanderlee, I hope youīre alright. Thanks for your reply. I have friends that had that horrible  and unfair disease. Fortunately they are key now. By the way do you know something about drinking mate?


mummza

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Welcome to the forum shenmue smile

but realistically when you think about just how much milk gets consumed every day from an early age and all over the world . It's unlikely to be something that effects people.

Did you know that Listerine ( the mouth wash) really gives cancer? I asked my dentist, because I heard as a rumor, and he told me that it was true!! Using it every day could give you mouth cancer when you are older, and everybody around the world use it. And what is worst, is that, here, in spain, listerine is approved by the association of dentists! they know all about it, and they approve it. Why???...money, just money. In the end it is all about products and benefits. So even if milk is consumed by everybody...you know, keep your eyes open.

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#6 Wed 20 Feb 13 6:49pm

sergio1972

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Re: So does soy milk gives you cancer or what?

Running the risk of being controversial, if you're so interested in what causes cancer you may wanna read about Dr. Hamer's New Medicine.
People keep talking about food that causes cancer, pollution, tobacco, etc. but not many talk about negative emotions that from the past that are kept in our body and according to him, its negative emotions and emotional shocking events that trigger the mutation in cancer cells, which we all have in our body.
I have met a few people with different sorts of cancer and asked them the same question that Dr. Hamer did, which is if prior to the cancer being diagnosed, did they go through a significal emotional event 1 to 3 years before. All replied yes.

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#7 Thu 21 Feb 13 9:30am

hippytea

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Re: So does soy milk gives you cancer or what?

shenmue wrote:

okay, thank you all for the replies.
So to sum up, if you donīt have cancer, donīt worry about it. If you do, donīt have milk because it feeds the cancer cells.

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Did you know that Listerine ( the mouth wash) really gives cancer? I asked my dentist, because I heard as a rumor, and he told me that it was true!!

Shenmue, something you have to understand is that it is not as clear-cut as that, in any of these cases.

Whether something causes cancer or protects against cancer, or any other disease, is only known by a few types of studies. One main type is to look at people who eat/use that thing and people who don't eat/use it and see how much cancer there is in each group. Researchers do try to rule out other factors, but it's not always possible to do.

For instance, imagine you studied men with different heights and you found tall people were less likely to get cancer than short people. So being short is a cancer risk, right? Probably not. There is probably something else going on - maybe the short people are short because of poor diet throughout their lives, and that is what is causing the cancer risk. People who are well-nourished but genetically short are at no higher risk.

This stuff is subtle and complex, and many studies are just small steps on the road to understanding. They may discover a slight difference in risk between two populations, or they may discover an effect of an exaggerated diet change in rats; all helpful for understanding the big picture, but taken out of context they don't tell you something as simple as "such-and-such causes cancer".

The problem is, the minute a researcher comes up with a result that has anything to do with cancer, or heart disease, or similar, the press jumps on it and prints huge headlines about how such-and-such causes cancer or prevents cancer, and they oversimplify the results to the point where they are meaningless.

Add to this the fact that studies funded by biased organisations tend to produce biased results, and all you can say is "don't believe everything you read".

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#8 Thu 21 Feb 13 11:10am

Ashen

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Re: So does soy milk gives you cancer or what?

hippy.. so many new stories take out of context the scientific studies... they also tend to jump to correlation causation fallacies. 

and example would be 


When suntan lotion sales rise , there is a higher percentage of people with sunburns
therefore suntan lotion causes sunburns.


just because two  factors correlate , it does not mean there is causation.

Last edited by Ashen (Thu 21 Feb 13 11:12am)


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#9 Thu 21 Feb 13 5:01pm

shenmue

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Re: So does soy milk gives you cancer or what?

yes, cancer is a very complex disease to say it is black or white.
About the negative emotion subject, is very interesting. I used to think that something psychological like emotions only affects your mind, not your body. But it does- It is like when you are under a lot of stress, and you have some muscular spasms. Also your immune system does down,etc... So yea, cancer is related to a huge amount of factors. But when a dentist explains to you that Listerine mutates the cells in your mouth, and that could lead to cancer, I think it is very fair to trust him. Even if the product says that it is wonderful and healthy.
Anyway, I am hungry...so I am going to get some milk and cereals. whistle
cheers

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#10 Thu 21 Feb 13 5:30pm

hippytea

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Re: So does soy milk gives you cancer or what?

I do agree about the mouthwash, actually. It is logical to me that regularly washing your mucous membranes with alcohol could cause some harm. I used to do it, but I don't any more.

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