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#11 Thu 29 Aug 13 3:16pm

sergio1972

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Re: Scheuermann's/ Shermans Disease

@mummza, unfortunately anti depressant and anxiolytic drugs are still among the top sellers in my country.
You said to Rebecca "In time you will learn to live happily alongside this rather nasty diagnosis". I'm sorry but I think differently. Even diseases that have been considered for a long time to be chronic have been found not to be so chronic anymore. In fact, I think that "learning to live happily" alonside a diagnosis is one of the things that makes many diseases chronic.
Thats just my opinion. thumbsup

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#12 Thu 29 Aug 13 3:28pm

sergio1972

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Re: Scheuermann's/ Shermans Disease

@MsPablo: unfortunately, or not, I saw your comments before you deleted them and I have to say that I was a bit sad and upset with what you wrote. At some point I felt the impression that you were implying that I was some no brain, unconscious guy who goes around giving stupid advices to people who suffer from serious conditions.
You know very little about me and about what I do. You know even less about NLP, Coaching, Hypnosis and other things that I do. I value my professional credibility and integrity a lot. I value it so much that I would never talk about something so serious unless I knew what I was talking about. I have people from all over my country who call me to hire my services.
I'm not a doctor or any kind of health professional and I said that to Rebecca the very first day I talked to her. But I do happen to know enough about her condition and unlike all the doctors she went to, I did find out the cause (in fact Rebecca did with my guidance) so it turns out that we managed to do more in a few hours over skype than all of the consultations together. And if you want to know, I've dealt with similar cases in the past and they all turned out to be successful for the client.

I'm sorry for what happened to you in the past and for what you may have gone through. Maybe that explains your position and reaction over this subject. Which I respect.
If you allow me, it may be helpful to find out more about things you dont know and eventually that may help you to think differently in the future.

Sergio

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#13 Fri 30 Aug 13 3:43pm

MsPablo

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Re: Scheuermann's/ Shermans Disease

Sergio, I'm sorry!  I am putting myself in the dog house for a while.  I get overly sensitive about one issue and then I kind of go overboard.  I definitely see value in what you do.  It's great that you've been able to help Rebecca.  I'm not against people helping one another.  I view you as a reasonable, intelligent and kind person who wants to help others.

Thoughts of people telling Marie to take herbal remedies for chest pains linger and pop up when this subject comes up and I can think of other examples in my own experience.  I know it wasn't you.  It's a good case in point though.  Several people rushed to diagnose her with a variety of upper respiratory ailments, all of which they seemed to think could be treated with herbal remedies.  I told her to seek medical treatment immediately.  Waiting in a case like hers can mean life or death.  She did have cancer and that was her correct diagnosis.  All those online trying to treat her and diagnose her were absolutely incorrect.  The onus is on the adult who chooses to prolong getting a proper and correct diagnosis and treatment.

And, for that reason, I am going to stay away from these discussions, other than to offer support to someone like Rebecca who I think is a very fine person with a great future ahead of her.  I wish her all the best.

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#14 Sat 31 Aug 13 8:32pm

sergio1972

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Re: Scheuermann's/ Shermans Disease

MsP, you dont need to feel bad, I know you didnt mean anything wrong and as I said I understand what you mean.
I didnt know Marie and didnt really follow what happened.
I would never tell a person with a condition like cancer to take whatever remedy. Chemo may be bad but as far as I know, its the only proven approach thats of any help. Anything else is just subjective.
As to what happened and about the ones involved what I have to say is something that we call pressupositions of NLP. We all do the best we can and with positive intentions and we all are responsible for our actions and its outcomes. 

Rebecca's case is way different, fortunately and the only reason why I got involved was cause I knew enough about it to advice her the approach I advised.

See you soon MsP wink

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#15 Sat 31 Aug 13 11:58pm

mummza

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Re: Scheuermann's/ Shermans Disease

sergio1972 wrote:

@mummza, unfortunately anti depressant and anxiolytic drugs are still among the top sellers in my country.
You said to Rebecca "In time you will learn to live happily alongside this rather nasty diagnosis". I'm sorry but I think differently. Even diseases that have been considered for a long time to be chronic have been found not to be so chronic anymore. In fact, I think that "learning to live happily" alonside a diagnosis is one of the things that makes many diseases chronic.
Thats just my opinion. thumbsup

I would not have written further post but felt obliged to resond to you Sergio as I felt you had misread the meaning of my post.  My post was meant to sympathise and encourage Rebecca and tell her that it might not be as bad as she felt at that moment.

by saying ..
"In time you will learn to live happily alongside this rather nasty diagnosis".

what I was meaning is that she would start to relax about the diagnosis and not be so anxious , that she would find ways of coping with things that she might not be able to do so easily at the moment and as a result might be able to do more than she thinks , but it might take a bit of time....
all in all finding a happy balance and a way of coping with the unpleasent condition.
I was in No way being negative and if you read my post you should realise that I was being positive and encouragng her.

Shermans disease is, as far as I know, is an rather nasty condition but it is often self limiting .
I dont think that in mentioning living alongside the diagnosis  it will in any way make the condition cronic.
This problem should ,hopefully .be self limiting  .. to me , that is not cronic.

I wont be commenting further on this thread .

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#16 Sun 01 Sep 13 12:49am

MsPablo

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Re: Scheuermann's/ Shermans Disease

A lot of studies seem to indicate that going through bad pain that is not addressed can lead to chronic pain.  There are a lot of variables, of course.  The fact is, whatever causes your pain may be different from what causes someone with the same diagnosis pain.  In many cases here in the U.S. these days, doctors address pain issues more carefully for this reason.

An example of why unqualified people giving advice is not helpful and only causes someone with pain more stress from my own experience:

- the injury I had was 'off-the-charts' in terms of pain and they advised through all the healing period to first do as little as possible to allow 'safe' healing so I would not re-injure myself and could manage the swelling, etc. and then 8 months down the road, I was able to do more, but still nothing too challenging that would cause pain.  What advice did a few relatives give me?  Push through the pain because you'll get well sooner.  I didn't follow that advice, of course, but doing even a little over my limit cause such a flare up as to put me in bed and on pain meds for days.  I'm not talking about light pain and I have a very high threshold for pain.

People do not understand when a person is ready and when they are not ready for certain activities.  One injury or illness is very different from whatever your friends or people you may know experience.  I have had this exact experience myself when with another injury, I could push it, but not with this injury.  It's been a very humbling, terrifying and eye-opening experience.

Doctors with years of education and experience do not ever give advice to people without first examining them, seeing their charts and being specialists in the area needed for giving the best advice.  A little knowledge is worse than none at all in many cases.

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#17 Sun 01 Sep 13 8:26am

The White Rabbit

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Re: Scheuermann's/ Shermans Disease

I second the concept of not pushing through pain on an injury. Pain is telling you to stay still so you do so until well trained people tell you otherwise.

Early in a diagnosis can be a fraught time. I was so tense when I first stopped gluten
I think it took we a good year or two to stop buying every gluten free product I spotted just to make sure I had something to eat. It can take a while to get used to the things you have to do and deal with. Well meaning friends and relatives can be annoying. I even had a woman I used to know through work offer to ask the 'shaman' style person in her home town in Vietnam what I should do.

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#18 Sun 01 Sep 13 5:45pm

RebeccaBourhill

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Member since Mon 30 Aug 10

Re: Scheuermann's/ Shermans Disease

I am still very careful what I do. I am currently not doing any vigorous exersice as my physio told me not to, although I still have pain. There is no more than we can do but manage the pain now as we have done everything. I have been taking anti-inflammatories too often thinking they are a quick route out and I still take one every now and again if I really need to. I think I have more control over the pain now and the pain is not controlling me..... If you get what I'm saying.

"Not pushing through pain on an injury..." Is not a good idea but at this moment as I have said before we have done LOTS of research and the only way to get through it is to manage the pain. And I think I have found a way that will carry me through.

Thanks for everyone's replies.

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#19 Mon 02 Sep 13 1:41am

MsPablo

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Re: Scheuermann's/ Shermans Disease

Rebecca, I hope you can keep a handle on what you must do for yourself without letting too much of the 'popular wisdom' make you feel bad about such things as taking anti-inflammatory drugs, etc.  It seems to me that you are making the right choices.

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#20 Tue 03 Sep 13 11:35am

sergio1972

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Re: Scheuermann's/ Shermans Disease

Mummza I didnt misread your post. I see you as a kind and generous person and therefore I know that you meant nothing but good things to Rebecca and that you were genuinely offering her support. I dont question that.
It just felt that you were implying she had to live with it as if there was no other choice and thats why I said what I said. But again, I know you were acting out of kindness and showing your support so I appologise if there are/were any misunderstandings. It was not my intention.
Like you and all others, I also just wanted to help. So we all had the same goal with different approaches. Lucky Rebecca I would say smile

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