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#1 Tue 04 May 10 7:32pm

trainguy917

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Difference Between UK and US

I was fully for Mr. Oliver's campaign, and I mostly still am, but I was given pause during one episode of the show when he stated that parents should not have the right to send whatever they choose in their children's lunch.  As a teacher, I fully agree that schools should do everything in their power to feed children healthfully and to educate children on the importance of eating a balanced diet of real foods and of leading a generally healthy lifestyle.  Mr. Oliver, however, needs to remember what country he's in.  He has NO RIGHT to dictate to parents what they will put in their children's brown bag lunches.  It appears we are moving toward the Socialist system from which he comes, but we aren't there yet, and, until then, parents get to choose what they feed their children. 

Educate, encourage, even cajole and shame--but don't tread on the parents' right to make decisions for themselves about how they will feed and raise their children.

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#2 Tue 04 May 10 7:46pm

TSR

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Re: Difference Between UK and US

Parents used to have the right to beat their children with canes. Now that is considered child abuse. Feeding your children candy and chips is at least as fatal as a beating, if not more. The cold war is over, it's time to stop worrying about the Red Menace and worry about having to go to your own child's funeral.

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#3 Tue 04 May 10 7:55pm

SonomaEddie

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Re: Difference Between UK and US

TSR wrote:

Parents used to have the right to beat their children with canes. Now that is considered child abuse. Feeding your children candy and chips is at least as fatal as a beating, if not more. The cold war is over, it's time to stop worrying about the Red Menace and worry about having to go to your own child's funeral.

Thank you!  No one has the "right" to abuse their children.
I think the previous poster has been watching too much Fox Noise.
I also doubt he knows what Socialism is other than a right-wing talking point.

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#4 Tue 04 May 10 8:33pm

slbeckett

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Re: Difference Between UK and US

TSR wrote:

Parents used to have the right to beat their children with canes. Now that is considered child abuse. Feeding your children candy and chips is at least as fatal as a beating, if not more. The cold war is over, it's time to stop worrying about the Red Menace and worry about having to go to your own child's funeral.

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#5 Tue 04 May 10 8:47pm

sergio1972

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Re: Difference Between UK and US

I'd like to start that I completely agree with TSR.
As to trainguy, I see your point but lets see it from another perspective: so Jamie went to the U.S. and told parents in a TV show what to feed their children. What have the major food companies been doing over the last 30 or 40 years, constantly, not in 1 TV show but through all means possible? I'd say they have been telling parents what to feed to their children.
The differences are 3 I believe:
1 - those companies have done it sometimes in very subtle ways although the message was clearly passed. Being Jamie a more direct kind of person he said the way he thought it was best.
2 - those companies advertised and still do crap food thats more than proved to be hazardous to everyone's health, let alone a child. Jamie is educating people towards healthy food.
3 - those companies have done that with one purpose only: profit. Jamie is not doing that for profit, not directly anyway and even if he is I prefer his approach and objective than the other.

In short wether one likes Jamie's method or not I believe anyone can hardly say and prove he's wrong!

Anyway welcome to the forums trainguy thumbsup

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#6 Tue 04 May 10 8:51pm

sergio1972

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Re: Difference Between UK and US

Also one last thing referring to the title: unfortunantely - and I dont wanna offend anyone here - foodwise there doesnt seem to be a lot of differences between US and UK. At least thats what informed people say - Jamie included.
And that has got nothing to do with socialism. Im not from any of those countries so Im talking as an outsider.
Fortunantely for Portugal we have a food culture and a lot of people have pride in it and do their best to maintain it.
Unfortunantely for these younger generations the appeal of those food companies is too strong and we re beggining to face child obesity so I hope theres a Jamie Oliver showing up soon in my country. Or better a "Jaime Oliveira" wink

P.S. - hey my surname is Oliveira so maybe I'll run for the job! big_smile

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#7 Tue 04 May 10 8:53pm

DeniseH111

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Re: Difference Between UK and US

Well, I'm a parent from the US and while I am all about parents having the rights to take care of their children....how sad is it that we need someone else to COME TO OUR COUNTRY and teach parents how to TAKE CARE of their children.?!?!  It's pitiful.  I can't tell you how many times I've heard people mutter "I had no idea" (how bad food was).  REALLY?  That's tragic.  TRAGIC. 

I don't have a problem having guidelines set for brown bag lunches.  There are, I've been told, schools in the US that have strict guidelines about what kids can bring in for lunch so that they meet the schools nutritional guidelines.  I have no personal experience with it but when someone like the parent that packed candy and chips for lunch doesn't care properly for their child....I have no problem with someone coming in and explaining how to do it or even being so shocked that they vocalize the desire to place stringent guidelines.  That was shocking and sad for everyone who watched it.   Imagine how Jamie felt watching that hungry little girl eating garbage for lunch. 

sad

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#8 Tue 04 May 10 8:56pm

wine~o

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Re: Difference Between UK and US

the difference between the people of the USA and the UK....can't remember who said it ,or the exact quote....2 nations divided by a common language...or something like that..

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#9 Tue 04 May 10 11:24pm

Thrifty

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Re: Difference Between UK and US

having only been to the USA once for 11 days on a holiday driving in new England, i was amazed by the amount of larger people, and the one experience that really stuck in my mind was the all you can eat for $5 restaurant, we went in and felt like outcasts, as we only had one plate each the waitress who was huge herself couldn't believe we only ate one plateful. the cups for fizzy drinks are massive, in fact every thing was super size. perhaps and probably we just went to the wrong places.
I think you have to take Mr O with a pinch of salt hes just passionate about stuff, and i think you shouldnt take things too much to heart nobody likes having their faults pointed out, and everyones entitled to their opinions. its only talk at the end of the day you can choose to ignore it  wink

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#10 Wed 05 May 10 12:25am

mr spice

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Re: Difference Between UK and US

Trainguy...?
" It appears we are moving toward the Socialist system from which he comes"
As a teacher! What do you teach?
Are you getting socialist confused with communist maybe?
Jamie Oliver comes from a social democracy...the objective of social democracy is to "complement capitalism through parliamentary and democratic processes in order to achieve a mixed economy, controlled by a representative government."
Have you been sleeping for the last three years?
The free market doesn't work anymore. Not since Wall Street sucked it dry and flushed  its corpse down the toilet, along with the jobs, pensions, savings and futures of a lot of parents.
"He has NO RIGHT to dictate to parents what they will put in their children's brown bag lunches"
So if I put...prozac or valium in there...that's ok. Because they're MY kids right?
Or maybe just let the farming multi-nationals dose the meat with hormones or genetically modify it, without telling us...oh, and a multi-national is really just like a combine in a "socialist" country except it's not owned by the people but by a pension fund. But as the pension fund is worth J@ckshit since the melt down, who owns it now anyway...
I can't believe we are arguing over brown bag lunches when some baby in Africa is dying of hunger or aids or malaria or something equally bad tonight.
Feed the World...used to mean something...

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