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#1 Fri 10 May 13 4:23pm

abdullahcohn

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Homeopathy is B0ll0ks!

Look what I got sent, I didn't subscribe to it:

Dear Supporters,

The Glasgow Evening Times published an article on 9th May 2013, showing the current total of 8,600 signatures! Please get your friends and family to sign and let's get the total up to 10,000!

Glasgow homeopathic unit faces funding fight
9th May 2013
http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/glas … n.21027242

The Petition was also sent again to all the decision-makers on 8th May 2013, so they could see the increasing numbers of people who want to save the Glasgow Homeopathic Hospital.

Louise Mclean, LCCH MHMA.
Homeopathy Heals Me!
www.homeopathyheals.me.uk

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I believe Homeopathy is ****.
I tried responding, but I got that error thing as a reply.
Well there is nothing wrong in believing in B0llocks in itself. But the minute people start mixing **** and medical treatment things can get very dangerous. People can and do die.
Homoeopathy is not dangerous. it is nonsense. Drinking a homoeopathy potion is no different from drinking a glass of water. Because it is a glass of water. Swallowing a bunch of homoeopathy tablets is no different from swallowing a hand full chalk or sugar, or what ever else they used as the base. Because the base is all that is in there.

It gets dangerous because these days a lot of fatal conditions are easily curable when caught early. Homoeopathy stands in the way of treating such conditions early.

Homoeopathy, and the rest of that crap are very dangerous and when the state funds them it sends a message that such things are credible.

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#2 Fri 10 May 13 5:41pm

@nGoose1

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Re: Homeopathy is B0ll0ks!

Covered wagon medicine show
Take you to the place where the healing flows
Weak in spirit, we got the juice
Won't save your soul, it'll shine your shoes
Treated king to kangaroo
Santa Fe to Timbuktu
Don't be fooled by imitation
This is the stuff that cured a nation

In India we're all the rave
Discovered that it's great as aftershave
Dropped in the sea, just off Japan
Swapped 20 bottles for an aqua-walkman
Immunity from ridicule
Improves your brains if you're a fool
And I read in the Middle East, they traded some for a hostage release
Now if you're bald it'll give you hair
If you got straight trousers it'll give you flares
Feeling up, you'll get depressed
Out of style, here's a brand new dress

Always Reminded of Max and Paddy, recommending homophobic remedies to the waitress being held (unknown to them) at gunpoint. Max and Paddies Road to Nowhere, very funny. Our Homeopathic shop owner smokes like a chimney. Balance is the key, pills and powders are easy to create an unbalance. Real food makes unbalance harder. You have to eat a lot of oranges to overdose on vitamin C. Not impossible, but difficult.
Your G.P. should be the one to ask; I agree with you Abs some serious fraud going on in Homeopathic medicine.

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#3 Sun 19 May 13 5:30pm

useimagination

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I read this with great interest. I firmly believe in homeopathy. But the thing is you need to find the right one! I have a homeopath as my doctor for three months now and I can't sing anything but praises for her. Beginning of the year I was suffering sick all the time,went to the Doctor 8 times in two months,and was out each time in less than 10 minutes with a prescription of antibiotics. I decided to try homeopathy as my last option. I am happy I did. On my first visit she took two hours for me,listening to my symptoms,and explaining to me exactly what is wrong with me. She was worried about certain things and immediately referred me to specialist. I am on treatment by her and within 2 days I could feel a huge difference,3 months down the line and I haven't been sick once.
I agree with what has been said you need to find a balance and definitely each one has to find what works best for their body and health.

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#4 Sun 19 May 13 9:25pm

koukouvagia

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Re: Homeopathy is B0ll0ks!

abdullahcohn wrote:

Homoeopathy is not dangerous. it is nonsense.

Nonsense is easy to ignore, why don't you just do that if homeopathy does not suit you?

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#5 Mon 20 May 13 12:42am

mummza

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I was given some homeopathic teething 'pills' for my son when he was small . I don't think that they really helped apart from the chalky texture was mildly soothing.

I don't know much about homeopathy , but I will agree that in some cases it cam be detrimental. Some years ago now , I knew a lady who was very keep on homeopathy , to the extent that she refused to allow her baby to be vaccinated at all by the doctor , instead she opted to have a homeopathic solution . I was very anxious for the baby as she was moving to a rural area and knowing that tetenus can be an awful illness and can be contacted from all manner of things I did try to persuade her that she should at least get the child a tetenus vaccination , other people also tried to tell her the same but as you can imagine she stuck to her beliefs and the child had no vaccinations what ever.
I have no idea what happened to them as when they moved home nobody ever heard from them again !

Here are times when conventional medicine is best , I would be worried about the use of homeopathy on , as Abdul has mentioned ,things like  cancers .
I am not saying that it does not have a place , it clearly does as many people feel reassured after they have had homeopathic treatments , it's not for me , I prefer conventional medicine , but , I do know that some herbalism is very good.
I need Minnie to explain the difference between herbalism and homeopathy to me , as I'm not sure i fully understand the differences.

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#6 Mon 20 May 13 1:50am

MsPablo

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Read about homeopathic remedies and I think most would agree, it is, as Abs had said, utter nonsense.  To make a sick child rely on it when ill with serious infections is tantamount to child abuse.  We knew a couple whose kid suffered an ear infection for 3 months.  That's a very painful disease.  The mother went for homeopathy, which is utter ****, as Abs says, and the poor kid stayed sick and in terrible pain.  When the parents became ill, they told us at that time . . . they called the doctors who rely on science and real medicine and got antibiotics because they could not take the pain of illness . . . meanwhile their poor kid was forced to go to school and other activities with a bad infection.  It should be illegal, IMO.

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#7 Mon 20 May 13 6:20pm

mummza

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Louise4011 , I know you havn't had any conventional medicine for many years , but can I ask you this .., if you were very ill with , for example meningitis ... What would you do .. Would you call a homeopathic Doctor or would you accept conventional medicine which might give you a chance of survival ?
I'm not being awkward by asking this , I'm just curious .

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#8 Tue 21 May 13 3:30pm

abdullahcohn

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koukouvagia
Well it is easy to be ignored.
What I want to know is how did my signature get on that petition?
I am someone who believes Homoeopathy should be banned and its practitioners should be arrested for fraud. There is no way I would have signed it.
So I am suspicious about the other 8,600 signatures on the petition. If they got mine, how did they get theirs?
Maybe it isn't quite so popular as they would like us to think?

The reason why I don't believe in it, is purely because it is nonsense. If you dilute something until there is nothing left of it, you Do not get the opposite effect of it. You get nothing at all.
If something causes headaches, and you dilute it until there is nothing left of the chemical that causes headaches. Meaning if you drank it it wont help you or hinder you. And then you took that glass of water, diluted it further with more water. You will not get the opposite effect of a headache. You will not get a cure to headaches. You will get a glass of water. If chalk was used instead of water, you will get chalk. If sugar was used, instead of chalk you will get sugar.
That is what Homoeopathy is, and it is B0llocks!

Some alternative therapies, need to be scientifically tested to see if they are helpful or harmful. Homoeopathy isn't one of them. The mathematics we learnt at preschool is all the knowledge anyone needs that division, no matter how many times it is repeated never ever equals subtraction.
And that is what Homoeopathy is. It claims division to repeated enough times makes a subtraction.
We all know caffeine wakes us up. We all know if you dilute a cup of coffee enough there will be no coffee left in it, and it will have no effect on how we sleep and how we wake. Homoeopathy claims if you dilute it beyond the stage where there is no coffee and only water, it will make you sleep. While we all know, diluting water in water only leaves water, it will never ever become anti-coffee no matter how much water we add and coffee we remove from it.
Division no matter how much times you repeat it never eve becomes a subtraction.

Yes some people that use homoeopathy get better.
Why is that you might ask?
That is because when you are ill, you get better.
If you had the flu, or an infection, you can take medication for it and the medication will help you get better. or you can just get better on its own. Using homoeopathy is getting better on your own.
It isn't the lump of chalk you swallow as a homoeopathy tablet, which you paid money for, or the tax payer did if you were treated at that NHS homoeopathy hospital that the NHS is thankfully closing down. You will find you would have got the same effect from swallowing the chalk your kids draw with,
You just got better.

Well you might ask, well it isn't harming you to swallow some chalk. Well you are right.
And if homoeopaths all behaved themselves and only used it as a placebo I would be cool with it. The problem is, they don't. They often call themselves doctors when they are not. Their centres are called hospitals when they are not. And many cross the line and proscribes cures to things they never should. And people can and do die from this. A famous example is malaria. Malaria has probably killed more people than all wars combined. You can be vaccinated for it. And it is a good idea to get the vaccine before you go to a country that has it. People do, but the same chemists where you can get real treatment also sell a homoeopathic vaccine. This as I mentioned has no active ingredients. When they use that as protection, they have no protection. And people have died from it.
The government will not ban it. But if they are removing funding from it, by closing down that so called hospital in Glasgow. Well that is a good thing. If people sold their water solutions  and chalk tablets from their front rooms and the back of their cars instead of state funded hospitals, it will remove a major propaganda tool they use to convince people to use their water solutions.

Just to clarify. This is an attack on homoeopathy. Not alternative therapy in general. I am all for healthy living etc, And I am sure people that use homoeopathy also do other things in their life, such as diet and exercise that makes them healthier than people in general. But it is the other things they do that keep them healthy, not the chalk tablets and water solutions.

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#9 Tue 21 May 13 4:32pm

useimagination

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abdullahcohn,thank you so much for voicing your concern! I read what you wrote with great interest. I do agree with you on certain things. Again everything in this world has its pros and cons. And no doubt there are many people that call themselves homeopaths but are not. I see my homeopathic treatment as a help for my body,I didn't just get medication from her (btw most of them are only supplements in my case) but I get support. I might add that my homeopath is both trained in conventional medicine and homepathy. Also she plays with open cards,she tells me exactly what treatment and for how long. But never once did she suggest that I could not go for a second opinion. I did,and everything that she diagnosed proved to be true. I am a person that truly believes in finding a balance with both. I agree that with certain diseases/sicknesses etc a conventional doctor is necessary. But when it comes to supplements and boosting ones immune system the RIGHT Homeopath can truly help you. Also I think people need to start researching themselves,no matter who you get treated by. Make sure you know what you actually put in your body,no matter if it is medication given to you by a conventional doctor or by a homeopath.
If you took the time to read this - thank you.  wink

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#10 Tue 21 May 13 9:47pm

abdullahcohn

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Re: Homeopathy is B0ll0ks!

I read what you wrote twice.

Firstly, what I want to make clear is, I am talking about homoeopathy. I am not talking about alternative medicine in general.
The person you go to, even though she might describe herself as a homoeopath, she might do other treatments on you too that are not part of homoeopathy, like herbal medicine.
I am not attacking herbal medicine or any other treatment. The only thing I am talking about is homoeopathy.

So you can say my attack is on the true homoeopaths, not the fake ones.

What I am attacking is the idea that water has memory. And can remember what we placed in it after we took it away. What I am attacking is the idea that reducing the concentration of something, not only reduces its effect. But if you reduce it far enough, you will get the opposite effect.
This is not true.
If one 100 kg of burning coal produces a hot fire, and 1 gram of coal produces no fire, 0.000000000001 gram of coal does not have a cooling effect. And if you reduce it further to 10^-1000 gram of coal, you will not have a super cooling effect when you try to light it.

Whatever she does to you that makes you feel better, it isn't the homoeopathy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWE1tH93G9U

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